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@Atari 5200 Guy F-Zero is excellent. Maybe my favorite racing game ever. Maximum Velocity on GBA is good too. Fire Stingray, anyone?

Start button? I don't know

Yeah, guess it wasn't so quick after all! I sure hope it comes in tomorrow. By the way, @nosweargamer, I love your podcast on the 7800. I've been listening to it these past few days. It's really getting me hyped for this system! Shame that it ended, but there's no way you could've kept it going after you covered all the games. Great job, my dude.

It's kind of both. About $5 for each. Not a terrible price for a loose game, but no where near the prices you get in bulk lots. I don't like to buy things online. I like to be able to see the games in person. I think it's worth the extra dollar or two. Plus, I have most of the common carts you see in 95% of the lots, so it's actually a little cheaper this way. I don't like duplicates.

I'm the same way, IF they're the same price. The game store I frequent often has loose and CIB 2600 games for the same price. If they're any more expensive, I'll buy them loose. I don't have the funds to constantly be paying extra for games I'm going to buy regardless.

Love NBA Jam! Great choice! He's heating up...

I've heard about Atari Day from @nosweargamer's videos. I've been saving my Atari shirt for a while now. From what I've read it's all about spreading the word and magic of Atari.

Ah. Thanks for clarifying.

So a paddle controller would work with this adapter? Intriguing. Well, if I ever get a 5200 you know what I'm getting.

Sadly the 7800 won't be coming until tomorrow. At least that means I'll get it on Atari Day.

Thanks, @RickR and @TrekMD! I have long wondered about this. It seems to be a rather pointless change; I mean you can already play this game on the original console, so why change it years later? What a stupid idea. It seems both the system 1 and 2 have their pros and cons. Do these games work with the later INTV corp system?

On a somewhat related note, why won't some games work on INTV system II?

I thought the controllers were hard-wired? Unless you're talking about the Intellivision II. I've heard that one uses hard plastic side buttons.

Not sure how different it is but I like the controller for the Intellivision Flashback. Never played on a real Intellivision. A lot of my PS4 owning friends have it, if that tells you anything. They seem to enjoy it. It looks to be doing decently.

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I think you're on to something here. I mean, the ADAM basically killed Coleco.

You're correct about many games belonging to a different era on the NES. Just look at the black box games! Clu-Clu Land, Donkey Kong, Balloon Fight, Excite Bike... No wonder the Nintendo Versus System exists! These games feel right at home in an arcade setting. I believe that as well. Without it, the NES really had nothing new to bring to the table. SMB made it stand out. No console before had anything quite like Super Mario Brothers.

I never said the NES was superior hardware-wise. The 7800 had more colors and hardware sprites, but a weaker sound chip and slightly lower resolution. Plus, you're right. Many NES games used the MMC chips. Those made it superior to the 7800; on its own it's arguably a weaker system. Super Mario Bros. 3 and Joust is not a fair comparison. But I think you're right. What really killed the 7800 was a lack of support. Barely any third parties, and Atari obviously neglected it. But, in America, both of them launched nationwide in the same year, 1986. Sure, Famicom was out in Japan in 83, and 7800 was out in 84 in Sunnyvale, and arguably their respective "own times" were at their initial launches, but for my purposes they're both 1986 children.

But it wasn't. Just because it was supposed to doesn't mean it did. It's time was supposed to be 84, but it was really 86.

@Justin I would argue that the 7800s own time was in 1986, not 1984. It was test marketed in one location. It could've rolled out nationwide soon after, but it didn't. The NES was test marketed, too, in 1985. They both came out nationwide in the same year, it's just Nintendo had a huge hit on their hands with Super Mario, and Atari just had the same-old-same-old Ms. Pac-Man and Dig Dug. Not to say I don't like the same-old-same-old. I think the 7800 seems like a great system, just not competitive on the same level as the NES. Also, @Justin, I never said Commando and Ikari Warriors were Froggo games. I was just listing two games on the 7800 that were an upgrade compared to their NES incarnations.

Yes, thanks for the links, @RickR! They're so fascinating from an outsider's perspective.

@RickR I completely understand your side here. I wasn't around then so I can't say what times were like back then. We look at these games now a lot differently than a kid in the early 1980s would have. We understand what went into these, what they had to work with to make these games. We know that graphics and sound and things don't matter. But a kid in the 1980s, before internet, would've thought much differently. He would've seen CV or 5200 and been a little jealous. We all were when we were younger. I remember being jealous of my friend's Wii U of all things when I was 10.

Please do! I promise you'll enjoy.

It doesn't matter what other people think. These games are good. Graphics never matter. If graphics mattered I would have never gotten into retro gaming, I'd just go play PS4 or Xbox One like most others my age. The gameplay is there for both Defender and Pac-Man, and anyone who says different is wrong. Sure, they vary from the source material, but they still play well. You could get more faithful versions elsewhere, but really they aren't too different from the other versions deep down. But whatever, I respect your opinion, @RickR, but I just don't think what you're saying is really correct.