Bakerman

I think I'll custom paint my Jag rotary controller this time too. I need to get one of those Jaguar hologram stickers from B&C or Best to put on the spinner knob.

For years and years, and when you order from them, updates and addendum's are included with your order. And it's not some small thing, it's like a Sears catalog, not the giant Christmas ones, but you get the idea. and it has tips and hints throughout, pinouts for all Atari systems, Atari "museum" pics throughout, it's literally an Atari resource, and encyclopedia as well as a catalog, about a half inch thick, like several hundred pages. but your have to order it and it does cost $10, but is WELL worth it. I'd post a pic, but I misplaced or lost it in my recent move and i may have to order one again, and I will, it's worth $20. I am always referring to it for all sorts of things Atari related and badly miss it. I spent hours trying to find it in storage after I soon discovered I didn't have it on hand like I thought I did, it's that much of a resource to me. Literally thousands of items listed, IIRC, around 10,000. From the smallest components to systems and games, cases, motherboards, EVERYTHING you will ever need for Atari, and components that work for other stuff too. I could write a book on this catalog. They have good reason to call themselves BEST ELECTRONICS.
 
I needed a new copy anyway, I'd worn out the one I had!

This and Ikari Warriors and Commando were THE reasons I got a 7800. I LOVE Xevious. Played the hell out of it at the local bowling ally back in the day. I really like the Atari 8-bit version too, but not as good as the 7800. A home-brew arcade perfect version is going to be released soon for the Jaguar! I can't wait!!

For years and years, and when you order from them, updates and addendum's are included with your order. And it's not some small thing, it's like a Sears catalog, not the giant Christmas ones, but you get the idea. and it has tips and hints throughout, pinouts for all Atari systems, Atari "museum" pics throughout, it's literally an Atari resource, and encyclopedia as well as a catalog, about a half inch thick, like several hundred pages. but your have to order it and it does cost $10, but is WELL worth it. I'd post a pic, but I misplaced or lost it in my recent move and i may have to order one again, and I will, it's worth $20. I am always referring to it for all sorts of things Atari related and badly miss it. I spent hours trying to find it in storage after I soon discovered I didn't have it on hand like I thought I did, it's that much of a resource to me. Literally thousands of items listed, IIRC, around 10,000. From the smallest components to systems and games, cases, motherboards, EVERYTHING you will ever need for Atari, and components that work for other stuff too. I could write a book on this catalog. They have good reason to call themselves BEST ELECTRONICS.
 
I needed a new copy anyway, I'd worn out the one I had!

I was cleaning my custom painted Jaguar system today in preparation to give it all a re-coat as it has gotten a few scuffs and scratches on console and CD unit and worn areas on the controllers, etc. and I decided to take some pictures. These are the before shots and I will show after shots when the re-coat is done. I am a stickler for keeping my electronics clean and looking new. I decided to go with a two-tone custom job since I could not bring myself to paint over the logo and other printed surfaces (except on the controllers, i.e. pause, option, etc. on my pro-controller; I intended to replace with stickers, but never got around to it).
 
I made two errors the first time around that I intend to fix with the new paint coat: I didn't spray the seams of the CD unit well enough and I at first attempted to cover the pause and option buttons on the pro-controller to save the print, but it didn't look good, so I sprayed over it which then left a ridge where I had covered it at first. I have sanded the area smooth so that will be fixed after the new coat.
 
Some of you may have seen my Jag system before as I showed it off at AtariAge a few years back when I first customized it. But I thought some others might enjoy seeing it, I do like to show it. It does have a blue LED power light, not shown here, too, bright enough to light up my controller ports and the ceiling in a dark room (I use a projector a lot). It also gives the my Jag's red a purple hue in the dark, which is cool looking.
 
The first time I showed it, some people commented that it looked like I had done a less-than-perfect paint job as there was an orange-peel effect, but this is not the case, it is the natural texture of the plastic and just looks that way from glare when taking photos. In real life it is apparent that it is the consoles texturing.
 
I also want to see other's custom jobs up-close, I've seen one or two in Avatar pics, but that's not good enough and maybe there are other proud owners who want to show off theirs? Painted, custom cases, what ever.
 
Sorry if the pics are dark, they looked too bright through my phone camera so I turned down the exposure, only to see them too dark when I loaded them up to my PC. I will do better with the after pics. I am currently downloading a picture edit program, but didn't have one right now to adjust the pics.

Yes it does, it's a working partial game and I think it would have saved FMV tech and led to A-list interactive movies, and we might still have them today on Blue-ray and streaming video. I think hollywood would have stood up and taken notice in this case. Truely an unfortunate loss in  the technology, IMO.
unfortunately I have no way of making videos right now, but I would be happy to make you a copy if you have a Jag CD. it was freely distributed a number of years back on several Jaguar forums, it may still be online somewhere. Covers and everything were made up for it by fans. As a matter of fact, and I might be misremembering, but I think it was Clint Thompson had a hand in it's release, though, again, I might be misremembering that part, it might have been some one else. But he started this thread so he can confirm or deny. But I think there are other members who may have it and may be able to upload game-play video. Still, no problem to make a copy for you, or I could upload an ISO in a PM or something...whatever, I don't want to break any forum rules, but this isn't a pirate thing, it was legitimately released. Some Atari dealers may even sell it. 
 
For starters I'll post some pics of it here.
 
There is also another tech demo available, IIRC, called 'the cave', not to be mixed up with the infamous 'Cave' Jag infomercial, and I know B&C sells copies of it, to at least check out the tech. But AH is much better with better actors and story, etc.

Nicely painted Jag! You can see my "dental jag" in my profile pic. My day-to-day jaguar is standard grey. I would love to see more custom stuff shared here! Even if it isnt Jaguar!.

I was cleaning my custom painted Jaguar system today in preparation to give it all a re-coat as it has gotten a few scuffs and scratches on console and CD unit and worn areas on the controllers, etc. and I decided to take some pictures. These are the before shots and I will show after shots when the re-coat is done. I am a stickler for keeping my electronics clean and looking new. I decided to go with a two-tone custom job since I could not bring myself to paint over the logo and other printed surfaces (except on the controllers, i.e. pause, option, etc. on my pro-controller; I intended to replace with stickers, but never got around to it).
 
I made two errors the first time around that I intend to fix with the new paint coat: I didn't spray the seams of the CD unit well enough and I at first attempted to cover the pause and option buttons on the pro-controller to save the print, but it didn't look good, so I sprayed over it which then left a ridge where I had covered it at first. I have sanded the area smooth so that will be fixed after the new coat.
 
Some of you may have seen my Jag system before as I showed it off at AtariAge a few years back when I first customized it. But I thought some others might enjoy seeing it, I do like to show it. It does have a blue LED power light, not shown here, too, bright enough to light up my controller ports and the ceiling in a dark room (I use a projector a lot). It also gives the my Jag's red a purple hue in the dark, which is cool looking.
 
The first time I showed it, some people commented that it looked like I had done a less-than-perfect paint job as there was an orange-peel effect, but this is not the case, it is the natural texture of the plastic and just looks that way from glare when taking photos. In real life it is apparent that it is the consoles texturing.
 
I also want to see other's custom jobs up-close, I've seen one or two in Avatar pics, but that's not good enough and maybe there are other proud owners who want to show off theirs? Painted, custom cases, what ever.
 
Sorry if the pics are dark, they looked too bright through my phone camera so I turned down the exposure, only to see them too dark when I loaded them up to my PC. I will do better with the after pics. I am currently downloading a picture edit program, but didn't have one right now to adjust the pics.

Hello everyone! New member here! So far I am loving this forum and the people in it. Many of you know me, but I've been tired of my old handle for quite a while and have decided to move on with a new handle with new forums I've been joining (Jag and DC so far). I'm not running from my past at all (see my introduction in introduction thread), just tired of the old, and am starting all new in my new forum homes. Saying good-bye to Atariage forever (at least the Jag scene there, I'll still frequent the 8-bit forums) and decided on a new name to boot. Baker is my last name, hence Bakerman.
 
Now, to the topic at hand.
 
I've been a true Atari fan (though I started with Pong and the VCS in my youth) since '85 when I got my first real computer, the 130XE (I did own a Sinclair ZX-81, the U.S. Timex 1000 model before that though). The Jaguar holds a special place in my heart for several reasons, including it being Atari's last console, if the Jaguar 2 had ever come out the story might be different. I too, was hoping for a re-emergence from Atari with the Jaguar, and my early experiences with it was almost all good, as I picked it up in early '95 and it had a decent sized library with some good games by then, and I chose well for the most part (except for Checkered Flag) in the early days and through most of it's first life (commercial life).
 
But it's not just because it was the last console by Atari, I like hardware that isn't off-the-shelf, run-of-the-mill stuff, which is also why I love the Atari 8-bit line; both have unique custom silicon that screams "test me out, see what I am really capable of, think out-of-the-box!" Most of the other reasons have already been mentioned, so I'm not going to repeat. But I am not just an Atari fan-boy, even though the 8-bits and Jaguar are at the top of my all-time favorites, I'm also a fan of other failed systems, including the 3DO and Dreamcast (I can really pick successes as my favorites, can't I?).
 
For consoles, my top three in order are; Jaguar, 3DO and Dreamcast. I like other Sega and Atari systems, but those are my all-time favorites. I like underdogs I guess, but they have to have games I like too, and those three do. Yes, some of my favorite Jag games are considered by many as not it's best, but then all that matters to me is if I like them.
 
Like the Dreamcast, the Jaguar is getting a second life in home-brews and I too, think one day we will see some more 3D stuff and not just 2D remakes of old 8-bit stuff and ST ports. But I am still waiting, hopefully. So far, in the home-brew department the only game that has kept my attention for more than 10 minutes is Dr. Typos Fallen Angels. I was a huge fan of Rescue on Fractalus from the Atari 8-bit, and I still hope to see updates of the other great Lucasfilm games. of course I consider the Telegames and Songbird releases to be commercial, not home-brew, as well as Battlesphere, Impulse X, etc. Most of the rest I consider home-brew 'mini-games" and am still hopeful of some truly full-scale games in the future.
 
I'll be adding a real picture of myself soon, in the avatar and completing any profile soon.

I think I'll custom paint my Jag rotary controller this time too. I need to get one of those Jaguar hologram stickers from B&C or Best to put on the spinner knob.

Easily one of the greatest, most addictive arcade games of all time.

I'm a Centipede nut myself. The first Centipede i ever played was Exterminator made by Nufekop for Vic 20. Then i bought Atari 800 XL. Of all versions i have played through the years Millipede for Atari 8bit is still the most entertaining of them all (me think). Can't get enough of that awesome version of Millipede.

I was cleaning my custom painted Jaguar system today in preparation to give it all a re-coat as it has gotten a few scuffs and scratches on console and CD unit and worn areas on the controllers, etc. and I decided to take some pictures. These are the before shots and I will show after shots when the re-coat is done. I am a stickler for keeping my electronics clean and looking new. I decided to go with a two-tone custom job since I could not bring myself to paint over the logo and other printed surfaces (except on the controllers, i.e. pause, option, etc. on my pro-controller; I intended to replace with stickers, but never got around to it).
 
I made two errors the first time around that I intend to fix with the new paint coat: I didn't spray the seams of the CD unit well enough and I at first attempted to cover the pause and option buttons on the pro-controller to save the print, but it didn't look good, so I sprayed over it which then left a ridge where I had covered it at first. I have sanded the area smooth so that will be fixed after the new coat.
 
Some of you may have seen my Jag system before as I showed it off at AtariAge a few years back when I first customized it. But I thought some others might enjoy seeing it, I do like to show it. It does have a blue LED power light, not shown here, too, bright enough to light up my controller ports and the ceiling in a dark room (I use a projector a lot). It also gives the my Jag's red a purple hue in the dark, which is cool looking.
 
The first time I showed it, some people commented that it looked like I had done a less-than-perfect paint job as there was an orange-peel effect, but this is not the case, it is the natural texture of the plastic and just looks that way from glare when taking photos. In real life it is apparent that it is the consoles texturing.
 
I also want to see other's custom jobs up-close, I've seen one or two in Avatar pics, but that's not good enough and maybe there are other proud owners who want to show off theirs? Painted, custom cases, what ever.
 
Sorry if the pics are dark, they looked too bright through my phone camera so I turned down the exposure, only to see them too dark when I loaded them up to my PC. I will do better with the after pics. I am currently downloading a picture edit program, but didn't have one right now to adjust the pics.

I was cleaning my custom painted Jaguar system today in preparation to give it all a re-coat as it has gotten a few scuffs and scratches on console and CD unit and worn areas on the controllers, etc. and I decided to take some pictures. These are the before shots and I will show after shots when the re-coat is done. I am a stickler for keeping my electronics clean and looking new. I decided to go with a two-tone custom job since I could not bring myself to paint over the logo and other printed surfaces (except on the controllers, i.e. pause, option, etc. on my pro-controller; I intended to replace with stickers, but never got around to it).
 
I made two errors the first time around that I intend to fix with the new paint coat: I didn't spray the seams of the CD unit well enough and I at first attempted to cover the pause and option buttons on the pro-controller to save the print, but it didn't look good, so I sprayed over it which then left a ridge where I had covered it at first. I have sanded the area smooth so that will be fixed after the new coat.
 
Some of you may have seen my Jag system before as I showed it off at AtariAge a few years back when I first customized it. But I thought some others might enjoy seeing it, I do like to show it. It does have a blue LED power light, not shown here, too, bright enough to light up my controller ports and the ceiling in a dark room (I use a projector a lot). It also gives the my Jag's red a purple hue in the dark, which is cool looking.
 
The first time I showed it, some people commented that it looked like I had done a less-than-perfect paint job as there was an orange-peel effect, but this is not the case, it is the natural texture of the plastic and just looks that way from glare when taking photos. In real life it is apparent that it is the consoles texturing.
 
I also want to see other's custom jobs up-close, I've seen one or two in Avatar pics, but that's not good enough and maybe there are other proud owners who want to show off theirs? Painted, custom cases, what ever.
 
Sorry if the pics are dark, they looked too bright through my phone camera so I turned down the exposure, only to see them too dark when I loaded them up to my PC. I will do better with the after pics. I am currently downloading a picture edit program, but didn't have one right now to adjust the pics.

yeah, i got the flashback 2 as well, and yeah I had the tops come unscrewed also. But at least you can use original Atari joysticks with it, or, like i do, my WICO stick!

yeah, i got the flashback 2 as well, and yeah I had the tops come unscrewed also. But at least you can use original Atari joysticks with it, or, like i do, my WICO stick!

yeah, i got the flashback 2 as well, and yeah I had the tops come unscrewed also. But at least you can use original Atari joysticks with it, or, like i do, my WICO stick!

Hopefully that won't happen to mine!
I have an Atari Flashback 2 with joysticks where the tops come unscrewed during gameplay. Very annoying when something like that happens. 
But that was used and so far my other Flashback controllers have held up.

I picked this up last Christmas Eve on clearance at the Dollar Store, to see what I had missed as a kid. I always wanted one until I eventually got an Atari 8-bit computer instead. I wasn't impressed, most of the games have much better versions on the A8 computers. Zaxxon look ok, but the scrolling sucks compared to the A8 version and after going through them all, I feel the same, I have better versions of most of the games on my A8. I was very impressed with Mecha-8 though, my nephew and I took turns playing it through twice. So it did make me *think* about getting a real Colecovision, but more for any new home-brews than for the original games...except for one, Frenzy, which isn't on the A8, unless a home-brew has been released...I know the 7800 got it. I have to say that I can't recommend Colecovision flashback highly. If you have an Atari 8-bit system like the computers or 5200 or a Commodore 64, or even a 7800, there's no need to look to Colecovision, you've got better versions of most games on those systems already; especially with the strong home-brew scenes on them bringing many of the classics that they didn't have originally to them now. And the controllers are really cheap on it, my knobs keep popping off when I'm in the heat of game play...a very bad thing. If you don't have those other systems or computers then I can recommend it due to the 61 games included. otherwise, get any of those other systems and start collecting.

@Lost Dragon:  I tend to agree with your assessment.  However, I don't think that its unreasonable to suggest that the Jaguar wasn't pushed as far as it could have been.  In my view, this is simply because of its short commercial lifespan.  We really got 2.5 years of development.  Only a handful of developers did more than one title: ATD, Eclipse, Rebellion, Llamasoft, and id.  These devs could learn from the stumbles of their early efforts to get more out of their second games (except in the case of id where Wolf3D was a phone-in).  Further, I believe that only Eclipse and ATD had the same teams work on two titles: IS2 and Battlemorph, respectively.  Compared this to Saturn, released in '94 in Japan and continued to be supported through '98 in NA and '00 in Japan.  As such, devs used learned techniques to really push the software in later games - in many cases beyond what was accomplished on PSX.  Veteran teams were able to get 3 or 4 titles out in its lifecycle.
 
Additionally, Atari  didn't have the benefit of strong first party in-house development like Sega with Sonic Team, Team Andromeda and AM2.  These teams were critical to Sega's quality (stunning) first party output.  Compare this to the mostly inexperience (re:CHEAP) contractors that Atari hired for most Jaguar development. 

If you loved Starfighter on the PS1, you really should get a 3DO, or if you have one, get Starfighter on it. the 3DO version is superior to the PS1 and Saturn ports by a good margin. The same is true for Need For Speed 1, more of a sim on the 3DO, they ruined it on the Saturn and PS1 by making it more arcade like. Most of the 3DO titles (original exclusives) that were later ported to the Saturn and PS1 are superior on the 3DO and certainly it's not that those systems couldn't have handled better versions. Spacehulk is another example of terrible Saturn and PS1 ports compared to the 3DO.
 
I forgot to mention Starlancer on the DC, love that game too. Of course I like/love a lot more games on all three (DC, 3DO, Jag) then I have mentioned here.
 
As far as Gunlord goes, I don't seem to recall that DC title, I'll have to look into it. What genre is it? Sounds like a shmup to me. And Sturmwind is a shmup too isn't it? I like a lot of those on the DC, but I don't think I've tried those ones yet. Sturmwind is a recent release, right? I'm still catching up on recent DC releases, I just burned a copy of Volgarr the Viking platformer, very Rygar-like so far, which is a good thing.
 
The problem I have with what CyranoJones has ported so far ST-wise to the jag is the game choices, most seem very strange to be the first, with such a huge library of much better games to choose from, for the most part. Like what the hell is up with that shitty Buggy Boy racing game when there is goodness like Vroom!, No Second Place, Lotus Turbo Challenge and Crazy Cars 2 to choose from, just for starters? And stuff like Rick Dangerous and Rainbow Island dizzy (pretty good games), when there is stuff like G.O.D.S into the wonderful (I think I got the name right) and Shadow of the Beast, and many, many much better platformers. To me, he has very strange taste in games, at least as first choices to port to the Jag.

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yeah, you got that right, if I had to start from scratch with the Jag now, I wouldn't and couldn't, the pricing is insane, really insane. I like to recommend it as a collectible system, but right now I just can't justify recommending it with such astronomical prices. I've only got about a dozen cart games back myself, and half a dozen CD games, since I sold off my collection several years ago (only because I needed money, and the same with the 3DO and DC). I got back into it just in time to get most of my top favorites, but now I can't afford to collect for the Jag anymore atm. I'm not sure if I would if I had the cash, with the crazy high prices. luckily I have the Jag CD so I've been building up a sizable home-brew collection. 

Correct me if I am wrong, but Raptor can only do 2D, right? And is a form of BASIC actually going to be able to tap any true power from the Jag? Even in 2D? I certainly doubt that something like Arena Football could be done with this engine or this BASIC, but please, tell me I am wrong and I will look into learning to program with both myself. But from my current perspective, if I ever intend to do 3D or anything that really uses the Jag's muscle, I'll have to learn Assembly...no?

$80 is a great deal for a working CIB Jaguar. If you decide that you hate it, you'll have no trouble making it back on eBay or trade. You already have two of the best games (and Cybermorph isn't bad!). I would take the plunge.