Popular Post btbfilms76 Posted March 2, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Thanks for sharing your experiences with the project BTB. Its very interesting to get the perspective of someone that was involved. I also appreciate that you maintained your principles by refusing to do the video without a working prototype. The high ethical standards of the Jag-Bar apparently eclipse those of Engadget and CNET! Now, I don't know MK personally but I did initially have high hopes for the first RVGS campaign. Prior to the Indiegogo attempt, I had purchased a Lynx from him through Game Gavel, backed the first Retro Magazine Kickstarter and picked up a translucent Jaguar shell. Based on those experiences and his general reputation in the scene, I thought he might be able to pull it off. The John Carlsen video soured me on that project though and when the it quickly reemerged with Coleco branding, I opted to wait in quiet skepticism. As it is, this appears to have been an outright deception and I will not support any MK projects moving forward. If I had kept my subscription to Retro, I would cancel it. I feel the same way, its sad because at the heart of the script its about the love of retro gaming. It's sad to see how far this got out of hand, it's been quite a lesson my kids have been learning this week about telling the truth and how one lie can turn into a nightmare. Thanks for the kind words about the Jag Bar, I try to take the high road on most things but this part of the story needed to get out, today was the day. Justin, Sabertooth, AlamoAtari and 6 others 9 Quote Host of The Jag Bar • Lynx Lounge • 7800 Avenue Watch now on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrhPvmALbHpBUqrbBOms5Vw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximumRD Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Brilliant loll! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-zDb-Xdws Quote I am Rob aka MaximumRD aka OldSchoolRetroGamer and THIS is my world http://about.me/maximumrd "For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday." - M. Bison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Iacovelli Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Thanks for sharing your experiences with the project BTB. Its very interesting to get the perspective of someone that was involved. I also appreciate that you maintained your principles by refusing to do the video without a working prototype. The high ethical standards of the Jag-Bar apparently eclipse those of Engadget and CNET! Now, I don't know MK personally but I did initially have high hopes for the first RVGS campaign. Prior to the Indiegogo attempt, I had purchased a Lynx from him through Game Gavel, backed the first Retro Magazine Kickstarter and picked up a translucent Jaguar shell. Based on those experiences and his general reputation in the scene, I thought he might be able to pull it off. The John Carlsen video soured me on that project though and when the it quickly reemerged with Coleco branding, I opted to wait in quiet skepticism. As it is, this appears to have been an outright deception and I will not support any MK projects moving forward. If I had kept my subscription to Retro, I would cancel it. mike is just publisher of Retro, he doesn't have creative control , thats goes to editor and since it began they had 2, I still have my subscription to retro digital haven't most of the issues but its still a great mag Quote AVC Online:atari-video.club VGS website: http://videogamesummit.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabertooth Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 mike is just publisher of Retro, he doesn't have creative control , thats goes to editor and since it began they had 2, I still have my subscription to retro digital haven't most of the issues but its still a great mag I guess my point was that its his business venture, so I won't be supporting it. This is regardless of content. Although, I let my year one subscription lapse because I personally didn't enjoy it. Just not my cup o tea. Now, even if it were I would have difficulty supporting the magazine. I vote with my wallet. Lost Dragon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Iacovelli Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I try to support any retro gaming magazine/fanzine/website etc.... which all started when Arine katz reviewed fanzines in mags like egm or vg&ce. and when I did my fanzine I continued what he started by reviewing other zines I got. I'm hoping to relaunch my zine again but haven't had people interested in writing RickR 1 Quote AVC Online:atari-video.club VGS website: http://videogamesummit.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Iacovelli Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 for the record I only subscribed to digital retro not print for the same reason dragon and atarilbc doesn't, vote with wallet, less expensive then paper and plus less clutter of magazines. as for the system I prob won't put a pledge when they do kickstarter, too much drama with the system. Quote AVC Online:atari-video.club VGS website: http://videogamesummit.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybermario Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 so he went to apologize to the AA forums, then on fb he told fans they are a lynch mob. mike is just publisher of Retro, he doesn't have creative control , thats goes to editor and since it began they had 2, I still have my subscription to retro digital haven't most of the issues but its still a great mag as long as he is involved in the project, the magazine will be stained, you already have people sayign they wont renew subscription (cant say i blame tem, i'd do the same) and they wont support GameGavel. I dont think is hate or a lynchmob, i think is temost rational thing to do, why would people suport a scammer? As for Gamester81, he's been two faced, he did apology in the AA forums, then went to FB and made it look they tried to lynch him (fanboy reaction achieved). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Octagon Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I prob won't put a pledge when they do kickstarter, too much drama with the system. I don't think there's going to be a Kickstarter. How do you do a Kickstarter now that the prototype was revealed as a hoax? MaximumRD and DeLorean 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybermario Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I don't think there's going to be a Kickstarter. How do you do a Kickstarter now that the prototype was revealed as a hoax? while i cant reveal my source or more info at this time, seems Mike and company are looking for a new board (since they have nothing) so IF they try to crowdfund something in the next weeks/months is because they bought a piece of hardware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Iacovelli Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 so he went to apologize to the AA forums, then on fb he told fans they are a lynch mob. as long as he is involved in the project, the magazine will be stained, you already have people sayign they wont renew subscription (cant say i blame tem, i'd do the same) and they wont support GameGavel. I dont think is hate or a lynchmob, i think is temost rational thing to do, why would people suport a scammer? As for Gamester81, he's been two faced, he did apology in the AA forums, then went to FB and made it look they tried to lynch him (fanboy reaction achieved). I think the editor of the magazine will prob let mike go as publisher and prob do self publisher can't say the same for game gavel Quote AVC Online:atari-video.club VGS website: http://videogamesummit.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Octagon Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 while i cant reveal my source or more info at this time, seems Mike and company are looking for a new board (since they have nothing) so IF they try to crowdfund something in the next weeks/months is because they bought a piece of hardware Maybe so, but there's not going to be a Kickstarter without a real prototype, and it won't be a very successful Kickstarter if people don't trust these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybermario Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) I think the editor of the magazine will prob let mike go as publisher and prob do self publisher can't say the same for game gavel Patrick Scott Patterson did quit RETRO today, while he never said it was because of the CC, timing seems to be perfect. Can't blame him tho Maybe so, but there's not going to be a Kickstarter without a real prototype, and it won't be a very successful Kickstarter if people don't trust these guys. it is true, only time will tell Edited March 2, 2016 by Cybermario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arenafoot Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 press release from Coleco via J2Games.com today: The ColecoVision: Coleco Chameleon drama continues. "It has come to our attention that the community has certain concerns over the prototypes involving the Retro VGS model. The team at Retro remains confident that their product is developed to the extent as describe; HOWEVER, in order to confirm or debase these concerns, Coleco has demanded to inspect the prototype units within a seven day time frame. At which time, independent engineers will review their findings and determine if those units are up to our standards. We will report some or all of those findings to the community so as long as they do not interfere with proprietary information. We remain hopeful that the community's concerns are merely speculations, but if there is merit to the concerns, then we have no choice but to abandon the project rather than release a sub-par product. During this time, we ask that the community allow us time to complete these inspections. Time extensions will only be granted if requested by the independent engineer. Time extensions and results will be posted here." source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10153867520339651&id=193998669650 DeLorean, Justin, Cybermario and 2 others 5 Quote Brian Matherne - owner/curator of "The MOST comprehensive list of Atari VCS/2600 homebrews ever compiled." http://tiny.cc/Atari2600Homebrew author of "The Atari 2600 Homebrew Companion" book series available on Amazon! www.amazon.com/author/brianmatherne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Octagon Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 That's a really good call on Coleco's part. Arenafoot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Iacovelli Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 who didn't see that coming I mean come on if you were well known company and you put your name on a product you would like to see it working as well. Retro video games inc is no zeinith , since the quality didn't go in,before they put the name on Arenafoot 1 Quote AVC Online:atari-video.club VGS website: http://videogamesummit.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybermario Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 if they truly care for the brand the investigtion will be serious, if not seems they wont mind quick cash even if it comes from a scam Arenafoot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 It's happening.. From Engadget: Coleco Chameleon Kickstarter over before it even begins (update) An image removed from Facebook indicates a big problem. http://www.engadget.com/2016/03/02/coleco-chameleon-vanishing-act/ From Gizmodo: Retro Gaming Console Coleco Chameleon's Launch Date Is Being Delayed Indefinitely Retro Video Game Systems, Inc.'s Coleco Chameleon is a Farce http://gizmodo.com/retro-gaming-console-coleco-chameleons-launch-is-date-b-1762408017 Arenafoot, Yo-Yo, DeLorean and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leolinden Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 https://youtu.be/8PJX0nHWXpoI GOT THE PROTOTYPE GUYZ! THE RETRO VG.. *COUGH* COLECO CHAMELEON PROTOTYPE! CHECK OUT MY VIDEO ABOUT IT! RickR 1 Quote Retro obsessed dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybermario Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 https://youtu.be/8PJX0nHWXpo I GOT THE PROTOTYPE GUYZ! THE RETRO VG.. *COUGH* COLECO CHAMELEON PROTOTYPE! CHECK OUT MY VIDEO ABOUT IT! LIES! I have the real one, is a Captain Crunch cereal box powered by leprechauns and fairies RickR, leolinden, Retrogamer81081 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Iacovelli Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 @Dan Iacovelli: I've built up a long history of distrust with UK publications etc, going back as far as ZZap64 reviewing a pre-production and far better looking version of C64 Operation Thunderbolt, skip forward from there to my later years looking into mag claims for likes of Unseen64/GTW and where do you start?. Freelance staff writing reports from Atari shows claiming they've seen Adam Caveman running on A8? or in todays world footage from other versions being edited to imply actual Jaguar versions did exist in some early form, people not even bothering to fire a game up on emulation to try, nah, just spend 5-10 mins on YT that'll do, never think to wonder if someones put there on music track on, as actual game had no in-game music. Or should i simply stick to mock-up screens/GCI cut-scenes being passed off as actual in-game stuff? (ZX Spectrum Toki, Nemesis...Saturn Alien Trilogy, Jag CD Tomb Raider), which editorial staff have made the decision to do, even when PR people have made it clear these are just mock-up screens?. Or the worse ones yet, claiming your staff spoke to and they said X, Y and Z either in favour of a platform of your choice or again'st it, depending on your stance? Psygnosis never had a Jaguar, coder X never touched the Lynx, Coder Y was not a ninja coder on the Sega Saturn, he'd never touched it. Basically for myself, as soon as a website or publication shows willingness to use deceit as a worthy means to an end result, it's so long and thanks for all the fish time, for myself. The Retro VGS fiasco has simply snowballed beyond all measure, but the principles remain, IF your not going to be 100% open and honest with your people, you cannot cry foul when your found out, can you? What is with the backlash on me, I have no connection with Retro Video Games inc, Mike or anything going on with the system. my credentials as for being a fan-editor goes back to 80's and we was reviewed by arine katz at least 3 times(maybe more) and on top of that we had connections with the Atari Entertainment division,TeleGames and Beyond Games. I do agree that this whole fiasco with RVGS has gotten out of hand, and until there is proof that they have something workable I prob won't support them. as for the magazine that different story, its a good read not they have writers, might let my second year subscription expire though and not renew after that. (not because of RVGS,just because I haven't had time to actually go through the digital issues) If they just followed the slogan that the TV company Zeinith had, they wouldn't be in this mess "The Quality goes in Before the Name goes on" Quote AVC Online:atari-video.club VGS website: http://videogamesummit.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arenafoot Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) I GOT THE PROTOTYPE GUYZ! THE RETRO VG.. *COUGH* COLECO CHAMELEON PROTOTYPE! CHECK OUT MY VIDEO ABOUT IT! now SEGA is stepping up and giving us the SEGA Dreamcast 2 - "Cyclone"!!! Edited March 3, 2016 by Arenafoot leolinden, MaximumRD, Retrogamer81081 and 2 others 5 Quote Brian Matherne - owner/curator of "The MOST comprehensive list of Atari VCS/2600 homebrews ever compiled." http://tiny.cc/Atari2600Homebrew author of "The Atari 2600 Homebrew Companion" book series available on Amazon! www.amazon.com/author/brianmatherne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Iacovelli Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Woah Dan Iacovelli, I think there are some very crossed wires here. I assure you my comments are not aimed at your goodself, let alone intended as any form of 'backlash'. Point i'm (badly) making here is from a long time UK consumer point of view, whilst the Retro VGS is indeed an utter shambles, it's by no means the 1st (and sadly probably won't be the last..) i've seen, where the media has been 'happy' to support the smoke and mirrors campain, without doing any real degree of research on the claims themselves. I was merely replying to an earlier reply from your goodself, just kinda setting out my personal stall as to why i've gotten such a cynical attitude towards media coverage these days. Very sorry for any confusion, but please, rest assured comments were squarely aimed at todays media, not your goodself. :-) oh ok the way you put it seemed like it was. but yeah the press/media do trend blow things out of hand. no harm no foul ,we good. Lost Dragon, DeLorean and MaximumRD 3 Quote AVC Online:atari-video.club VGS website: http://videogamesummit.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeLorean Posted March 3, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 funny, considering John was (kind of) defending how the Coleco Chameleon was a prototype on his fb wall Edit: DeLorean beat me to it haha well, Gamester81 (John Lester) is not a tech guy, may be the guy with less or null knowledge of coding and programming in that company. Either he hypes the product out of ignorance or is a sellout, you decide. Both? John Lester is taking a page from Mike Kennedy and is starting to delete everything involved with this, I wish that he would be a bit more honest as to what was his involvement. If he was just being a mouthpiece or got paid for his actions. But to act like nothing happened is a bit childish. But then again here comes the pitchforks and torches.... Yep here they come... Gamester81 is a male bimbo. He's a likable guy but he doesn't seem very intelligent to me. He kinda just stands there with his box of stuff and goes "yup, that's cool." He’s a total bimbo. He went to the biggest party school ever, seriously google it, it churns out mediocre porn workers like a sausage factory and his YouTube show is basically 1st grade show and tell. Classic gaming has too many clueless male bimbos (not you guys!) in power roles. ALL of these bad situations in classic gaming are because of this!!! They prance around YouTube with their hats on backwards and end up in charge of things that they're totally unqualified to be doing. Passion project or not. When they try to milk their popularity for money, they get in over their heads and people get burned. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Whenever there's a new "retro" console/module/ pie in the sky something that doesn't live up to the hype, you can always bet there’s a stumblebum male bimbo there with his hand out asking for your money and not getting the job done. These guys are absolutely clueless. The bimbo part comes in when they think they can lie to us, manipulate us, deceive us and play us for fools like we can't see EXACTLY what they've done. They rely on the "good ‘ol boy" network of ditzy male bimbos to support them and to attack people as a hater or a mob if you have the balls to ask them to just clear this up. This is absolutely outrageous and everyone attached to this from Gamester81 to Mike Kennedy had better get real transparent real fast before they're hit with serious lawsuits from every side. Coleco holdings already has reason to believe they're in breach of contract. People go to jail for stuff like this! It's not just Mike Kennedy pushing this circus show, it's Gamester81 and every other ditzy male bimbo who let this get as far as it did. These guys are totally incompetent and nobody seems to be talking about mass support of mass incompetence as a problem. These guys F--ed their way into this mess and they'll try to F-- their way out. Dan Iacovelli, Doctor Octagon, MaximumRD and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoAtari Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I totally agree with delorean on gamester, a so off for sure. I unfollowed him over this crap. Hope others do the same, but I'm not calling others to do it. It would take an apology on YouTube to make me change my mind. I doubt that he would. My new interest is how MK is going to react to the Coleco deadline. My guess is he will claim that it was damaged in shipping after the toyshow, and will end up not providing anything to them. Retrogamer81081, MaximumRD, Doctor Octagon and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeJ07 Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) I knew. This whole thing is a sham. A damn shame, I tell you. *shakes head* Edited March 4, 2016 by LeeJ07 Lost Dragon and Clint Thompson 2 Quote "I'd buy that for a dollar!" -Smash T.V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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