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It almost sells itself.  Think of all the possibilities for packaging stuff together...

 

"Space Games"

"Arcade Classics"

"Sports Games Collection"

"Rarities Re-release"

 

The only thing they'd have to do is make sure it's high quality.  Don't skimp.  99% compatible.  Use the old controller and console designs as much as possible. 

 

 

 

 

YES! Use the old controller and console designs as much as possible. And when possible, expand on the Atari legacy in ways we would have always loved...

 

"Arcade Classics" bundled with a new, authentic-looking "Atari Arcade Stick" compatible with 2600 and 7800 games. Think NES Advantage but for Atari. Everything Atari should've put out to keep Nintendo in check.

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Man, why aren't WE involved in designing this?

And as mentioned...make it high quality.  Look at what Nintendo did with the NES and SNES Classic consoles.  Easy to use.  Bright, beautiful packaging.  Fairly priced. 

How about a "5200 that should have been"?  Smaller console.  HDMI output.  The gimble controller with better buttons.  The entire Atari library unaltered and included on-board. 

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YES!  It's really that simple.  Put out a new console that simply plays old games on modern TV's and it would sell like nuts.  They could even re-release cartridges and make more money that way.  That' Flashback 77 is the closest thing, and I think that thing is pretty cool. 

 

You mean the Retron 77, by Hyperkin

 

http://www.ataricompendium.com/faq/faq_vcs_system_retron_77.jpg

https://www.hyperkin.com/

 

I briefly spent some time using one.  It's not perfect, but it's neat for what it is - an emulator-based VCS console that takes cartridges, but it uses the best emulator (Stella), and can be updated at your convenience.  It's what AtGames should have done years ago.

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If you honestly believe that nobody is demanding this, then you're not following what's been going on. I know because I WAS ONE OF THE ONES WHO WAS DEMANDING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. But then again, nothing will change your mind in your personal vendetta against Curt.

 

I didn't mean to intend that it isn't needed. Well, I don't really see the need for it but then I'm just as content to play on one of the two 7800s that I have that already work. I have a UAV installed and have the s-video going into a nice AV selector through the OSSC. But even then I would prefer a digital HDMI out like I have with my Hi-DEF NES or the SNES and NES classics provide. 

 

If it can have excellent compatibility and be consistent in how it works with games then I can see people buying them. Hell I would just for the native HDMI output! But we Atari lot are a picky group of people. 

 

And while I have nothing against Curt personally, he does seem to have a lot to do to get the trust of the community back.

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I have an easy HDMI solution for anyone interested....Raspberry Pi running an emulator. 

 

:mr_t: :wreck-it-ralph: :Nolan_Bushnell:

 

Actually I don't know the specifics, but I've been told that some of the HDMI modded 7800s actually use a Pi solution to do the conversion to HDMI output. Again, the specifics on how this is done is being kept hush hush because the modders that offer it do so with completed already modded 7800s they sell and won't give up the information.

 

But most of the others are just using $20 composite to HDMI boards inside them along with the cheap $5 transistor composite mod all crammed into the 7800 innards. I know this because I dissected one of them as the owner paid nearly $200 for it shipped and was pretty disappointed with the video output. It was all taken out...brought back to stock condition and a UAV installed instead. Never looked better after that. So yeah I do wish there was a better actual digital HDMI solution for the 7800. Having that it would be the ultimate 2600 and 7800 console. And that is the only part that appeals to me with the newly announced 3200.

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I agree. Nothing against Curt personally as I have never met the guy...but his track record isn't exactly the best. I lost all faith in the XM being released. For me to believe the console is being made, it would have to be done by someone else...but even that could be iffy.

 

Personally, I'd like to see that console make a début! A physical console that takes physical carts. No one is making carts any more. It is either discs or digital downloads. The closest to carts is the memory cards Nintendo is using for the Switch and various DS models.

 

As for the 5200? It would be neat to see a mini version. Only problem I foresee are the controllers. The potentiometers those controllers used were apparently special made for the 5200 because those are very hard to find if they can be found at all. That particular value the 5200 requires is even difficult to find with modern potentiometers. I won't doubt the 5200 has a great, well-rounded, library with some exclusives but it would mean someone would have to bring a new controller design to the table.

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The 5200 is just a bastardized version of the 400, so a mini 400 console (sans keyboard) would be the way to go.  At least with that you'd have the ability to use any compatible 9-pin controllers, plus the carts are much smaller.  The few 5200-exclusive games have all been converted to use 'digital' joysticks years ago, so there's just no reason to deal with all the 5200's faults again.  If Hyperkin or someone else went the same route with that as with the Retron 77, there are 2 Stella-worthy emulators already available - Atari800Win and Altirra.

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No no no, you guys.  I'm hoping for the original 5200 "gimble" joystick.  The one that had an RC airplane-styled joystick.  Before they cheaped out and went with the rubber boot.  Or how about a stick that's just like the analog stick on a modern console controller (PS2, PS3, PS4, etc)? 

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I've only ever seen the rubber boot version, and a friend of mine got the original (4-port) version as soon as it came out (late 1982). I got mine the following year, and it was the 2-port version by then.  Now, other systems had the style you're describing (Apple, PC, etc) but those are usually self-centering, something the 5200 sorely needed.

 

Considering most arcade games back then used digital (4 or 8-way) joysticks, it was a horrible decision to use an analog joystick for a system who's library comprised mostly of arcade ports.

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Curt posted this over at Atari Age...

 

- Well, all in due time, XM for now...   the other console afterwards...  I'm just putting all of the needed things together for that so when the time comes things will be ready and then we'll take it from there, but thanks for the support.

 

- I don't abandon anything...   get that out of your mind.   I made a promise and commitment, I don't do that to people, thats not right nor fair.     People will get their XM's.

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Probably because Vendel said no refunds would be allowed with the XM:

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/175033-xm-status-page/?p=2557429

"I have been very cooperative with you, even though as you know there were no refunds..."

According to that thread, at least one person fought and got a refund for his XM order, but how many people are wiling to jump through the hoops to get it?

Then again, even when he does offer refunds, like with those USB joysticks, there's no shortage of folks who've had issues with their orders, or replacements, or refunds. Here's a but a few:

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/149487-legacy-engineering-usb-joystick-unpacking/page-5

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/133134-atari-cx40-usb-joystick-by-curt/page-10

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/273797-

But these have been the same, recurring issues with him for over 20 years now, with anything he's tried to sell - disappearing for months at a time, never sending out items people paid for (or he does after repeated efforts to contact him, sometimes taking several months or more):

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.video.classic/curt$20vendel|sort:date/rec.games.video.classic/AxIYMeWTri8/v2hku61VOpEJ

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.video.classic/curt$20vendel|sort:date/rec.games.video.classic/NIm550vxgqg/NSWPpeU5NywJ

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Agree, Scott.  I've heard complaints about the controllers on the 77, but if it uses the same connector as real 2600 sticks, I don't see a problem there.  I need to look into getting one of those. 

 

I've seen and played a bit on a Retro77. I was NOT impressed with it at all. The main issue with it is that it was incredibly finicky with actual carts. Most of the activision ones didn't fire up because the pins on the cart port were very loose and didn't make good contact. We had to do the ole wedge something in the cart slot trick to push the cart in a certain direction to get it to read. 

 

The controllers themselves broke internally within the first day it was plugged in and used.

 

The switches on the front of the Retro'77 felt very cheap and not like they would withstand any real long term use. 

 

This particular unit was not a pre-sale unit either. It was an actual released version that was setup for use in a retro game store here in my town. And it didn't get that much use to be honest since everyone wants to play on the PS4 and XB1 consoles...not the classics. 

 

So yeah..I wasn't that impressed with it at all. When the games did come up and work, they certainly looked great though through HDMI. I will give them that.

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Another pipe dream project that went nowhere, and like the 3200, the thread only lasted 2 weeks and then.. silence.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/jerry$20jessop$20decoder/comp.sys.atari.8bit/fwDnS_i2Xoo/tq39rzsAWvYJ

New 8-bit computer full of extra features, with plans to make 100 and sell for $120 each.  Yeah, that sounds familiar, but he claimed he had the engineers to do it (I thought HE was an engineer, though?)  Once again focusing on plastic shells and packaging, with the motherboard being the last part he’s focused on.   Renowned former Atari alumni Jerry Jessop told him his idea of hacking the system to offer RGB output wasn't possible, and the project became vaporware soon after that.

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6 months later since my last post, and still no XMs.  Now I read he's redesigning the board yet again, this time for SMD components?  I thought he purchased all the through-hole DIP parts for these years ago, along with new soldering tools?   And how's that going to work with POKEY chips, because there's no SMD version of those?  He sure knows how to p--s away money, especially when it's someone else's (in this case, the nearly 200 people who prepaid for this thing close to 9 years ago).  He also stopped giving updates on Atariage, instead using his Facebook page, where he apparently last posted about spending time fixing some 1200XLs...??    This project might not have started out to be  a scam, but that's exactly what it is at this point.  It's flat-out fraud.  If you prepaid for one of these things and never thought to press him for a refund, what in the world are you waiting for?  The 10-year anniversary?  If this thing ever ships (and that's a huge 'if' at this point), you could always reorder it, but at least get your money back, and get off that circus train.

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It's things like this that make me really cautious about supporting anything on Kickstarter, Indigogo, and other projects unless I know exactly who the person is behind any specific project like the Shenmue III headed by the original creator Yu Suzuki.  I didn't back that one but I would have.  10 years?  Statue of limitations may have ran out by now...and I bet he knows it.  The XM.  Was that the project for the 7800?

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On 8/15/2019 at 12:27 PM, kamakazi20012 said:

It's things like this that make me really cautious about supporting anything on Kickstarter, Indigogo, and other projects unless I know exactly who the person is behind any specific project like the Shenmue III headed by the original creator Yu Suzuki.  I didn't back that one but I would have.  10 years?  Statue of limitations may have ran out by now...and I bet he knows it.  The XM.  Was that the project for the 7800?

Yes. The XM module is supposedly for the A7800. I still have not seen it physically. 

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Aside from a few 'test' units (some of which were sent out to developers broken), nobody has seen it physically.

One source of Atari Pokey chips just stated it ran out:

https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=456401
 
"Well, in the last year, HSS (HighScoreSaves.com) has sold almost 1000 Pokeys....now the sad day is here....no more stock.

Barring any tubes that may have been misplaced in the move, my supply is dried up.
 
We had about 200 to 300 when we finished up the Braze kits and included those in the Asteroids Multi....and I purchased approximately 700 from the UK years ago.

I did basic testing....IIRC, only one or two ever came back as a return. I'd pop them in a Millipede PCB to test function. Did it happen with each one? No. I'd be there for weeks. They were all NOS from the UK, the Multipede were a mix of both. "
 
 
I asked him if Vendel had bought any from him, and he said probably not since he didn't recognize the name.
 
Arcadechips.com mentioned they have a few left, but there's a limit of 1 per customer, and they want $60 (!) each for them:
 
http://www.arcadechips.com/product_info.php?products_id=168
 
So unless Vendel had the foresight to purchase several hundred of these years ago (which would really be out of character for Vendel), the only way the XM will see the light of day is if someone is able to make a reproduction of it (at least 2 people have been working on it, with the latest being the PokeyONE, at $40 each, but it's not a fully-functional Pokey and only works with Atari arcade machines: https://hotrodarcade.com/products/pokeyone-atari-pokey-chip-replacement-for-atari-arcade-games?fbclid=IwAR3u92zWhFkpFnCVQTZVpDpH8v0uUKpkN8Pj1X2-tbyCKZ-L-6AwdFx-raY).  And since the XM was advertised - and sold - as featuring a real Pokey chip, the 'elephant in the room' isn't going to go away until he finally comments on it.

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