DegasElite Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) Hey, guys, It is official. Apple will be using their own SoC chips in newer Macs, starting around 2021. Intel will be used once more in Macs this year, with Mac computers updated with Core i9 CPUs. But, it is the death knell of the MacIntel. Also, the chips will be RISC-based. So, Apple will design the chips and place them in the Macs like they would the iPad and iPhone. This is the first time in 36 years that Apple has done this. I wish that they would make the chips in America, but you never know. Thanks for letting me share. :O) Edited June 27, 2020 by DegasElite Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 17 hours ago, BlackCatz40 said: Also, the chips will be RISC-based. This is incredible. I'm a big proponent of RISC-based processing. This is like the good ol' days! 17 hours ago, BlackCatz40 said: So, Apple will design the chips and place them in the Macs like they would the iPad and iPhone. I think the endgame is to make iOS and macOS unified. All one ecosystem. It's what Atari would've done. 17 hours ago, BlackCatz40 said: This is the first time in 36 years that Apple has done this. Amazing! I hope MacOS 11 comes with Breakout 🕹️ 17 hours ago, BlackCatz40 said: I wish that they would make the chips in America, but you never know. ME TOO!! This should be mandated 🇺🇸 DegasElite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted June 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 Agreed. It should be mandated. If they make the chips in China, the Chinese keep the money and the secret to making the chips. If they are made in the United States, however, we keep the money, the plans to making the chips, and the chips localized, as well as keeping jobs here in the US. It is a win-win-win-win situation for us. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted June 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 By the way, Justin, I am also a BIG proponent of RISC. It is faster, more efficient and cheaper than CISC-based CPUs and GPUs. Also, the GPUs for the new Apple computers will be built into the CPUs, being the fact the it is a system-on-chip processor. The new Macs would probably have the rumored A14 chip as well. The chip is going to be ARM-based, so be prepared. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted June 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) The macOS and iOS environments should have been one from the get-go. It certainly would have made things easier then. It is a start, anyway. I believe the project is called Marzipan, to integrate the two OSes. There was also a project called Kalamata, and I believe that this led to the switch to RISC for Apple. Edited June 27, 2020 by DegasElite Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari 5200 Guy Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 I had a 1st Gen iPad and loved it (WiFi only). But not long after I got it the 2nd gen came out and I did not feel like upgrading. Also, some apps for the 2nd gen I couldn't get to work on my 1st Gen. It makes sense if they bring MACs into the iOS world...then they would only need one OS not two trying to work together. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted June 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 7 hours ago, kamakazi20012 said: I had a 1st Gen iPad and loved it (WiFi only). But not long after I got it the 2nd gen came out and I did not feel like upgrading. Also, some apps for the 2nd gen I couldn't get to work on my 1st Gen. It makes sense if they bring MACs into the iOS world...then they would only need one OS not two trying to work together. That makes sense. It would be ideal that way. Happy that it's coming true. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteym5 Posted June 29, 2020 Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Well Windows PCs probably be Intel Dominate for a long time. Unless AMD comes up with a super good CPU causing Microsoft to start supporting a new CPU standard. If you build your own PCs, Many places have to AMD processors priced lower. Everyone tells me that you are paying just another $10 just for the Intel name on the processor. Anybody remember there was a 3rd company making CPUs back in the 1990s called Cyrix? Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted June 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Yes. I remember Cyrix. They did not last long, did they? I remember some of their chips, but it has been a long time. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted June 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, peteym5 said: Well Windows PCs probably be Intel Dominate for a long time. Microsoft is gearing up for ARM as well. Or, so it seems. I had heard that they are trying to make Windows 10 ARM-compatible. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted June 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2020 Well, there are ARM-based computers that use Windows 10. I researched that on Microsoft's website. Interesting. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauber Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 Wonder how much software will be rendered obsolete from this upgrade. I'm not even upgrading my MBP to Catalina because there are several 32-bit apps that I use religiously that aren't available in 64-bit versions. 😕 Justin 1 Quote Supernatural, perhaps...baloney, perhaps not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted July 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 They have Rosetta 2 emulation for the ARM-based Macs. I don't know if it will have 32-bit compatibility or not. Unfortunately, probably not. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted July 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 Rosetta 2 offers backwards compatibility with Intel-based Apple apps. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted July 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 This also brings us to Universal 2 binaries, and they will work with both Intel and ARM at the same time. I was researching this on Apple's site. Justin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauber Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 What'd REALLY be interesting is if it includes compatibility with PowerPC-based apps! Justin 1 Quote Supernatural, perhaps...baloney, perhaps not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 3 hours ago, dauber said: What'd REALLY be interesting is if it includes compatibility with PowerPC-based apps! Now THAT would be wild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted July 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 That would be nice, but they would consider that deprecated. Unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegasElite Posted July 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 I don't understand why Steve Jobs switched away from RISC in the first place. Apple had a competitive edge then. Well, let's hope that this rectifies things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari 5200 Guy Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 On 6/29/2020 at 10:54 AM, peteym5 said: Well Windows PCs probably be Intel Dominate for a long time. Unless AMD comes up with a super good CPU causing Microsoft to start supporting a new CPU standard. If you build your own PCs, Many places have to AMD processors priced lower. Everyone tells me that you are paying just another $10 just for the Intel name on the processor. Anybody remember there was a 3rd company making CPUs back in the 1990s called Cyrix? I had a Cyrix CPU "upgrade" for my 386. It was more like a downgrade. I couldn't do as much with it that I could with the Intel CPU my computer came with. Only a few of my games actually worked with that Cyrix chip and at slow frame rates. Horrible chip. RickR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickR Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, kamakazi20012 said: I had a Cyrix CPU "upgrade" for my 386. It was more like a downgrade. I couldn't do as much with it that I could with the Intel CPU my computer came with. Only a few of my games actually worked with that Cyrix chip and at slow frame rates. Horrible chip. I had one too. It was the floating point unit in the Cyrix processors that was terrible. And this was right at that moment in time when 3D gaming was coming into vogue -- ie floating point math was critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari 5200 Guy Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 True. The only 3D game I had at the time, though, was Wolfenstein 3-D. My Intel 386 without a math co-processor and Trident 512k VGA card could handle that game and DOOM very well. Once I switched that chip to the Cyrix my system really suffered. That 386 could do more with the Intel, no co processor, and a standard VGA card no geared toward 3D acceleration, and 2 MB of RAM than it could with that Cyrix processor installed. I swore off of those things and warned other PC users I knew to avoid those Cyrix CPUs. My experience with them was not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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