Possible to whiten 5200 Trackball ? Worthwhile?

[MaximumRD 3,276]

Is the ball in these typically that yellowish color when new? After seeing images in some recent topics I decided to dig mine out of storage, forgot what great condition mine was in and about the only thing I have that also still has the clear plastic on the aluminum strip (MUST RESIST REMOVING 😛) I really need to try this accessory more as it seems to be in excellent shape however, I noticed like many pictured the ball seems discolored yellowish, looking up images online it seems it WAS originally white? If it should be white might look into brightening or SHOULD I BOTHER? Is it more trouble than it is worth? I only lightly tested it upon receiving the 5200 / games etc in a lot years ago. I should do more testing and also maybe give it some maintenance if required. ANY GOOD TUTORIALS or videos on that? Also, I may have posted similar at one time but my memory is not getting any better 😛 Still, thanks in advance for any / all replies....

 

[chas10e 1,105]

I don't think anyone had any success in removing the yellow hue. I had read the size is the same as a pool ball , but some cue balls are slightly larger for the ball return , not sure what size snooker balls are or boccie balls.

I like the yellow hue on mine , gives it that aged look :)

[RickR 14,908]

Test it out.  If everything works, I would not touch it. 

The 5200 was designed well.  It doesn't break like the joysticks do.  No lousy plastic membrane for the buttons for example.  The only thing I've seen go wrong is rust on the inside.  If that happens, you have to carefully brillo-pad the rust off, then lubricate everything.  But if you keep it stored in a dry place (and it looks like you do by the condition of the outside), I'll bet it works perfectly. 

 

[chas10e 1,105]

Just found this:

https://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=726298#p726298

from what I understand the developer can still be contacted for support but I haven't found it yet.

[Scott Stilphen 523]

Atari's were never white, they were always an off-yellow.

[Atari 5200 Guy 4,244]

Those trakballs are your standard cue ball from a billiard ball set.  Yours has yellowed from age and trying to use chemicals on it can cause it to yellow even more.  It is made of ivory and of the same quality Atari used in their arcade trakball designs.  That controller is one of my favorites to use with the 5200 system.  It's a solid design.  As long as it works I wouldn't mess with it.  But...if the yellow ball bothers you buy a new cue ball from a store, pop the top off, remove old ball, put new ball in, put the top back on.  Yes, it really is that simple and I've done it in the past.

[chas10e 1,105]

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[peteym5 344]

Wasn't removing yellowing from plastic something simple like soaking in baking soda and water for several hours. I am sure modern pool/billiards balls are all acrylic (imitation ivory) and cannot use natural ivory because of the band on elephant hunting. . But may need to measure diameters before you go and order them from eBay or another website.

[RickR 14,908]

1 hour ago, peteym5 said:

Wasn't removing yellowing from plastic something simple like soaking in baking soda and water for several hours

"Retro-brite" is what they call it, and it's a process of using hydrogen peroxide and UV light to whiten plastic.  One method is just to create a mix with water in a clear tub and leave it outside.  Another is to create a paste, "paint" it onto the surface and apply saran wrap to stop evaporation.  The 8-Bit Guy on youtube has done several vidoes on the different techniques. 

I've never tried it. 

[intellicolecovisonary 90]

I Retro-brited my Intellivision II and it looked great for a few months. Then I started noticing that it was starting to yellow again. After a year it looked almost as yellow as it originally was. I wonder if my CX22 trak-ball is the same size as a cue ball as well.

Edited March 4 by intellicolecovisonary

[Airshack 20]

I’m going to try to put an 8-ball inside mine. 
 

retrobrite: This process removes oxidized fire retardant from plastics. That’s what causes the yellowing. I doubt pool cue balls have fire retardant in them. Extremely doubtful retrobriting a cue all will do anything. Cue balls are not made of computer console plastic material. Cue balls have zero potential to burst into flames.

As for retrobriting causing rapid re-yellowing...uh, nope. I use the 8-bit guy submersion method with peroxide from Sally’s beauty supply and no items I’ve retrobrited (in five years) have re-yellowed or become brittle. 
 

I can’t speak for different methods.
 

my rig:

 

Edited March 30 by Airshack

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50 minutes ago, Airshack said:

I’m going to try to put an 8-ball inside mine. 

An eight ball is too big.  A cue ball is just about the right size, but even then I needed to put a gasket for separation and an extender for the button when I enhanced my Wico trackball unit.

 

[intellicolecovisonary 90]

I used the exact same 8-bit guy retrobriting method you used and results were better on my Atari 800 until I moved it and it was exposed to constant sunlight again. There's no question in my mind that the different chemical make up and condition of various plastics will produce different retrobriting results. 

[Airshack 20]

I’ve had success with everything I’ve retrobrighted to include the intercom panels from my house.

Of course I live in Arizona so it’s always easier here, and I don’t reintroduce my specimens to constant sunlight afterwards.

[intellicolecovisonary 90]

An arid climate without huge temerature swings sure helps but there are as many retrobrite failure stories as there are success stories. ..https://68kmla.org/forums/topic/31138-retrobrite-failure/

[Airshack 20]

I had a few mishaps at first but with the clear tank and liquid I use now there's no issues. Most of the problems I had in the past was from using gel and trying the clear plastic wrap method + gel. In the dip-tank with peroxide the results are always uniform and pleasing. Just saying, it's all about technique. 

Edited March 31 by Airshack

[Airshack 20]

13 minutes ago, intellicolecovisonary said:

An arid climate without huge temerature swings sure helps but there are as many retrobrite failure stories as there are success stories. ..https://68kmla.org/forums/topic/31138-retrobrite-failure/

This link highlights the saran-wrap method and paintbrush methods. Both using gel and plastic wrap afterwards. Kind of making my point here.

[intellicolecovisonary 90]

If you read beyond the first comment in the retrobrite failure forum link above or any of the many other not so great retrobrite stories out there, you will discover comments contradicting your results using the exact same method you and I used. It work for you given your materials environment and circumstances. It did not work well for me and apparently does not always work well for others. 

[intellicolecovisonary 90]

14 hours ago, Airshack said:

I had a few mishaps at first but with the clear tank and liquid I use now there's no issues. Most of the problems I had in the past was from using gel and trying the clear plastic wrap method + gel. In the dip-tank with peroxide the results are always uniform and pleasing. Just saying, it's all about technique. 

Just saying, it's all about the plastics level of degradation, the weather environment it exsists in and the chemical makeup of the plastics involved.  Bottom line, the same technique you had success with did not produce successful results with others. As for retrobriting causing rapid re-yellowing...uh, yep, it happens unless the many, many negative retrobritng comments are all false and misleading or fake news....