Justin

Good question @Atari 5200 Guy. It's durable to be touched, ink won't rub off and you won't easily wear through the paper. However, it's still paper, you can still tear through it about as easy as any other paper, and it crinkles and bends at the edges if you're not careful. You'll want something that's not paper for an overlay. I just took this picture for you, take a look:

BTW: None of these items are "fancy" or expensive. Everything was ordered for pennies per piece. I created all of the design work and provided all of the print-ready files to the printers. You can look really good for less than a pack of ink cartridges. It can be done. I'm the legally registered owner of the "SYZYGY" trademark since June 21, 1993 according to the United States Federal Government. Here are some registration documents provided below which show SYZYGY registered to me in four classes, namely: Video Game Hardware, Software, Clothing, and Printed items such as books and comics. We never claimed any direct lineage to Atari-Syzygy. I chose the name "Syzygy" to honor our creative roots of coming from Atari, as almost everyone on our team were former Atari people, from the top down, who wanted to continue that Atari "creative thread" into the future, despite that thread having been cut. We were all h4x0rs and gamers and creative people, Regan was doing all of our product design and Gene had done Chuck E. Cheese with Nolan and served as our business-minded figurehead. He was amazing and fun, everybody was. The "SYZYGY" name not only was abandoned and had not been in use for some time, it had never been registered nor exercised by Nolan and the guys in 1972. There was never a question about this.

Syzygy I/O Stock Certificate printed on "graphite" style paper with a nice sheen, foil embossed with the red logo. You'll see that because of the "graphite sheen" nature of the paper, it makes it fairly difficult to photograph. You'll be able to get an idea of what it looks like in person though. I included a SanDisk microSD for size comparison:

Syzygy disk with Atari 8-Bit software:

Here's a quick look at some Syzygy I/O items I've made over the years. I designed everything from the logo to the business cards to the stock certificates, and sourced the printing out to print professionals who could do the job right. Metal business cards were cut by the same team that makes Kevin Mitnick’s legendary lock picking metal business cards. They were always on time and under budget, and everything always looked like a million bucks. I think I sent Lance some of these way back when. I can send these to any of you guys who would like them. Let me find the stock certificates and some other items to take pictures of and post as samples. Here's a look at the business cards and some other items:

I have my doubts. It's possible that they are. At this point I don't really know what "overlays" you guys are even talking about? Are we talking about Jaguar here? Atari 5200? Intellivision? Each one was a little different. Those Intellivision ones were printed on a type of film and I don't recommend going that route. Jaguar and Atari 5200 ones were both on a type of coated card stock, but very different from each other. The Atari 5200 ones had a matte finish and felt pretty high end for what they were. The Jaguar ones felt cheaper, but had a glossy top that made me thing it was just gloss or UV print on a type of stamped and die-cut cardstock. If you sent a print shop a sample, they could match it up as best they can to the products they have available and offer you a few options that you could choose from based on price and quality.

FYI these guys are great, I use them all the time and have met with them in person and toured their facility. Locally owned family establishment with nice working class people printing things locally. They're called Direct Impressions, they specialize in mailing marketing materials but they can do anything. Last time I was there, they were printing real estate flyers and high school yearbooks. As much as I like them, there are countless print shops that can do this same thing in every home town, and I'm sure many in the Twin Cities that Lance and Steve could visit in person. Direct Impressions is my primary print shop here in Florida, when I lived in North Carolina I used a local one there as well. They were good, but I like Direct Impressions here in my town: https://www.directimpressions.com Richard Boye Sales & Marketing Direct Impressions RichB@DirectImpressions.com www.DirectImpressions.com 239.549.4484 Office 239.851.6305 Cell 800.490.5546 Toll Free 239.945.2344 Fax We also have another local one which I used to have stock certificates created for Syzygy and they did a wonderful job. I'll have to find an old Syzygy Stock Certificate and post it for you guys to see, it's absolutely amazing for what it is, and they also did our metal business cards. Lance did I ever send you any Syzygy stickers for your warehouse? They would go great with your Jaguar bumper stickers! These guys are called Panther Printing and you can find them here: http://www.pantherprinting.net info@PantherPrinting.net 800.336.8005 Toll-Free 239.643.9999 Naples & Marco Island 239.936.5050 Fort Myers 239.542.1050 Cape Coral

Dude you’re going in heavy with obtaining all the equipment needed to make these. That would be costly and I don’t think you would make your money back in the long run. That’s a lot of overhead. If V61 was cranking those babies out day and night that would make sense. Right now it’s just 100 pieces here, another 100 there. You’re not running off 20,000 a week. The most cost-effective way would be to have a local print shop print these for you. There is a cost involved in having them cut, particularly if they have to come up with a unique shape for a die-cut that would match the shape of an overlay for a Jaguar, or a 5200, where there are a little tabs at the end. However it’s not an exorbitant cost, and certainly not as much as having to buy the equipment. Any local print shop can print these professionally for you. There will be a minimum order, probably around 100 to 250 pieces. There’s no reason for a print shop to design these from scratch. We all know the measurements, and Steve and I can collaborate on whatever needs to be done and provide the printer with the appropriate files so that there is zero design expense involved, only printing. This isn’t one of those “print at home” jobs because an overlay is not a sticker, it has to have structure and durability to it so it can be pressed and used again and again.

I absolutely LOVE these threads. Getting a bit of culture and getting to travel and dine with you guys is the greatest thing. Makes me want to create an Atari I/O Diners Club.

This really depends quality and quantity. If homebrew artists on other sites are able to release low-volume games with quality overlays (Intellivision, ColecoVision, Atari 5200, Jaguar and others) it's clearly able to be done. The question isn't just "who" but "how"? I suspect a number of these are hand cut as opposed to die cut, but I know I've seen die cut homebrew overlays recently. You could easily print them on cardstock using a home bubblejet printer, cut them by hand and laminate them, but that wouldn't be a very effective solution. Customers would likely see those as a sloppy solution for an overlay that will likely be prone to folding, creasing, torn tabs, and wearing out prematurely. You could have them printed professionally with offset printing, but that comes at a cost, and most likely a *minimum quantity*. If you could get that minimum quantity down from something like 1,000 pcs to 100pcs with digital printing. The problem is the unique shape of overlays - they aren't straight squares or rectangles, typically they have little tabs that jut out at either end (although that's not always the case, as with Intellivision) so this would still likely require a die cut. I've worked with different print shops and marketing companies in the past that could easily manufacture quality full color overlays - but at what quantity? Some homebrew artists out here have already worked through these problems and found a solution.

Whoever makes overlays should be capable of making them for both.

@RickR I hope you'll share some updated pics of your game setup once you receive your Legends Pinball and get it all set up the way you want it. I can't wait for you to be able to enjoy this! ☺️

I like your style @Sabertooth you have awesome taste

@MaximumRD The Legends Pinball machines are in a different league than 1-Up machines, which in my opinion are made of a flimsy, nearly disposable quality. They tend to have Legends Pinball in stores for you to see in person, if you come across one, check it out and let me know what you think about the quality. I like that Legends Pinball machines have real metal bezels, real arcade buttons, and solid, sturdy metal legs. The software is pretty stable, the screens are good as is the artwork. These feel like they've been made by a different manufacturer than what you'd expect from the Flashback units. I think you would be impressed.

OH MY GOSH @RickR I AM SO EXCITED FOR YOU TO JOIN US!!!! LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Welcome to the club!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Wouldn't it be something if Atari swept in and inked a deal to put an Earthworm Jim game on the Atari VCS - and/or just as cool, on a cartridge for the Atari 2600?

@Jinroh We're happy to host your file if you want to attach it to your original post

Welcome to the forums @dadisajoke we hope you enjoy your time here! This is a very welcoming community covering all Atari and classic gaming, and Club VCS is fantastic. WELCOME!

I feel like this is the exact sort of thing the Amico guys could've put some effort into with supporting the original Intellivision user base. By comparison doing something like this would've been an easy side project to get out, and rewarding to people who love Intellivision and could play it right away. These controllers look awesome @CrossBow I hope they earn a good review from you and serve you for years to come.

@RickR AtGames has just announced a January sale in their store at http://www.atgames.us which will run from Thursday, January 19th through Monday, January 23rd which includes Legends Pinball Micro for $349 plus shipping:

Best wishes to @Airshack and the loved ones in his life, you are always welcome here.

@Video 61 THANK YOU for offering this deal to our Atari I/O Members Lance! We greatly appreciate you being part of our community and so kind to our community members!

Hugo's looks DELICIOUS @MaximumRD I love that you're posting this stuff.

Good call!! I can see you very happy with one of these Rick!

I'm hoping the price comes down a bit on the Pinball Micro and hopefully by Christmas 2023 we can pick them up in Costco or Sam's Club for a little less. Then again, prices on everything have gone up from eggs to pinball tables so who knows. I absolutely love my Legends Pinball. I realize its an expensive purchase but compared to a PS5 or Xbox or whatever it's not far off. It's well built, the games play well, they have wonderful customer support, you can hack and expand them in all sorts of different ways, and they have a decent warranty.