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Hyperkin - Retron 77. HD Atari 2600?


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#21 Starbuck66

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:09 AM

Saw this article yesterday:

 

https://www.engadget...2600-retron-77/

 

This is saying 80 for the price? I also heard rumors that it is emulation and Harmony won't work. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how it shapes up, but still exciting news!


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 01:30 PM

Saw this article yesterday:
 
https://www.engadget...2600-retron-77/
 
This is saying 80 for the price? I also heard rumors that it is emulation and Harmony won't work. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how it shapes up, but still exciting news!


To be clear, what I posted did come from somebody who asked the person giving the demo of the prototype at E3 apparently. Obviously nothing is written in stone in such a case, myself I try not to get too excited over any info that far as is my skeptical nature. To be honest, I found it kind of telling that they said "should" work with the harmony part as often with such things I find they will say should because they don't want to flat out say WONT as that is a negative and of course they try to avoid being as negative as possible displaying an upcoming item but it is definitely emulation or I assume it must be because the selector and toggle switches etc supposedly are selected using the interface and not physical buttons so yeah, I was also surprised to read that it "should" work with the harmony. As for $40 being the price I was quite surprised to hear that as well that is really low, I could see it being for one of the cheap Atgames handhelds but for the first 2600 compatible console? I would be very surprised, so double definitely sounds more realistic a price. Anyway we have to take all information up to the release with a grain of salt hope for the best, I am just hoping it has decent compatibility and minimal to no lag while playing, anything else would surely be icing on the cake. Let's keep our fingers crossed. 


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#23 Justin

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 02:06 PM

A few thoughts about the Retron 77…

 

 

  • It's a tremendous missed opportunity for the Retron 77 not to play Atari 7800 games. That would've introduced the 7800 to a ton of people and sparked more homebrewing and new 7800 developers. Hardware is still very early with talk of open source, so I’m holding out hope.
     
  • It's nice to see Atari finally represented in a modern repro console. Until now Atari has taken a back seat to almost everything else.
     
  • If the $40 price point holds true Retron 77 will be super attractive to new 2600 gamers just getting introduced to the world of Atari, who want new hardware and HD. I’ll always advocate original hardware but a fresh new $40 HD console on storeshelves eliminates reliability fears in the minds of new Atari gamers not wanting to mess with old hardware and old hookups. If that grows the Atari community and creates more interest in Atari I’m totally for it.
     
  • Retron 77 styling looks quite similar to that Atari Box thing. The classic lines and woodgrain of the original 2600 integrated into a flat pizza box design. Wonder if one of these guys will change course before these hit retail shelves.
     
  • Will new 2600-compatible HD consoles spark renewed interest in Atari games and cause prices to go up? $10 Space Invaders? New wave of homebrews? More 2600 players means more demand for games.
     
  • Now might be a good time to get your hands on a Harmony Cart if you don’t already have one.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 02:20 PM

Here is somewhat of an update from the author of that ENGADGET LINK -

 

I'm the author of the Retron 77 report... he told me they were thinking around $80, but hadn't decided yet (so yes, it can change... but that's definitely what he said).

 

I actually played it in 16:9... and their stand at the show lists "16:9" as a feature on the printed materials. Though he listed a number of modes to ensure authentic retro feel (black and white etc) so much of this is likely configurable, and original aspect ratio etc. And again... yes possibly subject to change. But the report is based on actual experience.

 

The image didn't look terribly stretched, but not sure what method they are using for upscaling etc. -

 

JUST SHARING INFO AS I SEE IT  ;)


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#25 Justin

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 02:23 PM

I'm the author of the Retron 77 report... he told me they were thinking around $80, but hadn't decided yet (so yes, it can change... but that's definitely what he said).

 

$80 for an Atari 2600 clone is a reach. $40 would be a home run. My guess is they will settle somewhere in the middle.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 02:37 PM

$80 for an Atari 2600 clone is a reach. $40 would be a home run. My guess is they will settle somewhere in the middle.

I read the same article this morning. My guess is that the $80 is an MSRP price. Generaly inflated with the retail real price generally half that.

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 02:41 PM

What do you think the appeal is for this machine? I'm wondering if its just the hdmi? I'm playing my 2600 games still to this day on an actual Atari product so why do I need this?
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#28 Justin

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Posted 14 June 2017 - 03:01 PM

What do you think the appeal is for this machine? I'm wondering if its just the hdmi? I'm playing my 2600 games still to this day on an actual Atari product so why do I need this?

 

I've always felt that way about repro consoles. "Why do I need a Retron when I already have a real NES?" I've always advocated real hardware and original systems. I've spent a lot of time in game stores though and I see Retron systems fly off the shelves. They sell like hotcakes. I think if you're 16 or if this is your first Atari console, if your Radio Shack closed down and you don't want to worry about hooking up a 40 year old game system with an RF Switch Box to an HDTV - this has some appeal. For hardcore Atari people like you and me with AV modded Atari 7800 systems, I think the appeal is deflated and we kind of look at Hyperkin as interlopers. I'll welcome anything that brings renewed interest to the world of Atari though.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 03:44 PM

I've always felt that way about repro consoles. "Why do I need a Retron when I already have a real NES?" I've always advocated real hardware and original systems. I've spent a lot of time in game stores though and I see Retron systems fly off the shelves. They sell like hotcakes. I think if you're 16 or if this is your first Atari console, if your Radio Shack closed down and you don't want to worry about hooking up a 40 year old game system with an RF Switch Box to an HDTV - this has some appeal. For hardcore Atari people like you and me with AV modded Atari 7800 systems, I think the appeal is deflated and we kind of look at Hyperkin as interlopers. I'll welcome anything that brings renewed interest to the world of Atari though.

 

What do you think the appeal is for this machine? I'm wondering if its just the hdmi? I'm playing my 2600 games still to this day on an actual Atari product so why do I need this?

 

No RetroN anything is needed but having a newer machine and a better image is nice. Our systems, modded or not, are getting old and tired. Cheap alternatives are always welcome and the fact that there is no crazy things needed to hook it up makes it easier with today's techknowledge.  But the REAL reason I like this unit is not for all it can do but more so the IDEA of what it is. Maybe more interest might hit the market to preserve the history of the pre 8 bit systems and carts. A little respect for the older stuff. New 3rd party products such as affordable alternatives for the 5200/7800 controllers as only an example. Me personally I am SO SICK of NES/SNES love in the clone aftermarket of convenience, it is about time we 2nd generation console gamers were offered the same love and respect in the market. Last it makes playing Atari more accessible to the casual kat that wants to be nostalgic or share with their kid the amazing games of the 70's and 80's without the (small I know) issues that come with Flashback systems.

 

Just my thought!  


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 04:45 PM

No RetroN anything is needed but having a newer machine and a better image is nice. Our systems, modded or not, are getting old and tired. Cheap alternatives are always welcome and the fact that there is no crazy things needed to hook it up makes it easier with today's techknowledge. But the REAL reason I like this unit is not for all it can do but more so the IDEA of what it is. Maybe more interest might hit the market to preserve the history of the pre 8 bit systems and carts. A little respect for the older stuff. New 3rd party products such as affordable alternatives for the 5200/7800 controllers as only an example. Me personally I am SO SICK of NES/SNES love in the clone aftermarket of convenience, it is about time we 2nd generation console gamers were offered the same love and respect in the market. Last it makes playing Atari more accessible to the casual kat that wants to be nostalgic or share with their kid the amazing games of the 70's and 80's without the (small I know) issues that come with Flashback systems.

Just my thought!


Well put man! Baby steps maybe but at least some things are finally happening to spotlight the 2600 era, hopefully is just the start. While I think such items are targeted to us older gamer/collectors I would love if the low cost and ease of connection and accessability may draw in younger folk who might not of previously considered anything prior to NES. IF IT STIRS ENOUGH INTEREST to influence even a small percentage of todays gamers to perhaps research and learn about the pioneering of modern gaming, some respect for it, that could be cool.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:56 PM

Good. That's all I have to say about this.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:29 PM

  • It's a tremendous missed opportunity for the Retron 77 not to play Atari 7800 games. That would've introduced the 7800 to a ton of people and sparked more homebrewing and new 7800 developers. Hardware is still very early with talk of open source, so I’m holding out hope.
  • Will new 2600-compatible HD consoles spark renewed interest in Atari games and cause prices to go up? $10 Space Invaders? New wave of homebrews? More 2600 players means more demand for games.

 

You've made same solid points here Justin.  

-I'm a huge fan of the 7800 and would love for others to give the 7800 games some love since many missed out on it back in the day.  As a random thought Hyperkin could possibly release an adapter for the Retron 77 similar to the 3-in-1 adapter they released for the Retron 5 system.  This plugged into the system and provided support for Sega Master System carts, Master System cards, and Game Gear games.  I'm dreaming of a 77 adapter that provides me with the ability to play 7800, atari 8-bit computer, and lynx games.  Dreaming rules!

 

-I do expect a renewed interest in 2600 carts once this thing hits store shelves.  Look what happened to the NES, SNES, and Genesis market once the flood of repro consoles hit.  Prices have gone up over the last few years and I do believe a portion of that is due to the increased amount of folks who had the ability to again play original cartridges.  Supply and demand...better grab those 2600 cartridges you've been skipping out on now.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 09:42 PM

Now that more information has been released on the Retron 77, I am leaning toward a purchase. The ability to play physical carts and a Harmony makes it an easy decision. I agree that 7800 emulation should be included and it's a bit of a missed opportunity, but not a deal breaker.

In my opinion, the planned HD Flashback from AtGames is striking out by not including an SD slot.

I'm still curious about the Ataribox, especially as Atari confirmed it as an official product on their FB. While this probably means a licensing agreement, the teaser made it look a bit more stylish than either the Retron or Flashback, and "box" makes me think it could handle multi-platform emulation and streaming content.

It's great to see all this interest in bringing Atari related products to market.
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Posted 14 June 2017 - 10:19 PM

Looks awesome but i'll wait for the reviews.

 

 

From @simoncarless, on Twitter:

 

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From @BillLange1968, on Twitter:

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Posted 15 June 2017 - 11:46 PM

HYPERKIN posted a live video demo from E3 -

 

https://www.facebook.com/HyperkinGames/videos/1380516251983467/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 12:27 PM

Pretty f-ing sweet that a 40 year old system completely stole the thunder at a modern E3 show!  In your face, 4K xbox. 


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 04:08 PM

 

 

 

Some takeaways from Hyperkin's Facebook live broadcast:

 

 

  • Hyperkin is striving for 100% compatibility with existing 2600 cartridges.
     
  • Compatibile with "the vast majority" of Atari 2600 peripherals and controllers.
     
  • While the prototype shown at E3 only has 2 switches (Reset and Select), the final production Retron 77 is going to have all of the switches that the original Atari 2600 had, and more.
     
  • One new switch will likely be for switching between aspect ratios of 16x9 and 4x3 video modes.
     
  • Hyperkin is still considering save states.
     
  • Retron 77 will likely support hot-swapping of cartridges without powering down the console.
     
  • Retron 77 plays games off the cartridges and does not store the ROMs on hardware. Hyperkin is striving to be fully legal and mindful of copyright issues.
     
  • Hyperkin is working on a new, more responsive controller for the Atari 2600.
     
  • Retron 77 will still ship with a classic joystick, and will have a classic controller available "for people who like it old school."
     
  • Hyperkin is monitoring the Atari Age forums for feedback. (I hope they see us too!)

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 04:26 PM

Here's a comment from the post we made on our Facebook page about the Retron 77. Erik's comments are emblematic of a lot of what I've been seeing and a good example of the type of gamer Hyperkin is hoping to cater to with the Retron 77. For a lot of people it comes down to not believing / knowing how to hook a classic Atari console up to modern TV sets:

 

 

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:22 PM

It's important to understand that some very new TVs have done away with coax and don't play nicely with the various A/V mods. I've experienced this with a mod that I did for a friend. I tried three different configurations before I found a mod that worked and then it was just "ok". Many of us in the community have CRTs or older flat screens so this isn't an issue for us. But for some who decide to get back into classic gaming and have already moved on to HD or 4K, the Retron 77 could be a great solution.
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:00 PM

Sharing this interesting post made today over on Atariage ;) 
 
 
Posted Today, 10:03 AM

 

Hi guys, I'm Andrew Steel from Hyperkin. First I want to thank you all for your support, it means a lot to our company and to me personally. I'm very excited to work on this project, aiming to make it as good as it gets. That's why I'm here to share my thoughts and hear your opinions. We did license Stella and obtained a custom build with a few important improvements. As many of you noticed, there is a 2-seconds loading screen when you hotswap the game. It is actually there only to ensure the hotswap procedure happens smoothly. It is only a prototype for now, and we didn't want any hiccups to occur at E3. In the final version the loading screen will be gone, because I think normally users wouldn't mind hitting Reset if the console occasionally attempts to read the cart earlier than it's fully inserted.

 

It is a very challenging task to cover the vast library of games and homebrews. But I know that supporting certain things is cruicial, so we went an extra mile and developed a way to work with Harmony. I cannot guarantee that this feature will still be present in the final release due to certain potential legal concerns, but we all understand its importance to the scene and will do our best to keep it.

 

Our primary goal is to ensure good compatibility with real cartridges because well, they are awesome, and the 2600 is actually a quite affordable platform to collect for. Please message us with your contact info if you are willing to jump on board and offer your help with testing the system for compatibility. Also, since we officially partner with the scene, I would actually prefer for the system to be open-source. In my envision, it will ship with our own Stella build, hardware-wise prepared to be tinkered with -- just in case if someone out there wants to remove or add any features they want.

We understand that the system has to be affordable, so our target price is 50 USD, give or take. Too early to state it firmly and predict the costs, we are still working on the features. I think it generally would be a bad idea to add some extra hardware just to support a peripheral used in 2-3 games and make the system way too expensive, so we expect to go for a good balance of what it does and what it does not. Again, if you are willing to offer your help with that, even just an opinion, please don't hesitate and message me and our R&D department at developer@hyperkin.com.

 

As it is for now, I can confirm that our newest build has the following working physical buttons that we plan to bring to the front: reset, select, save, load; a few buttons on the back: difficulty, game mode, color/bw/scanlines, aspect ratio, glitch switch. As most of people who came to talk to me and to try to earlier prototype, it plays games in clear HD without any noticeable issues. As for the controller to ship with the system, we expect to stick to the classic design with a paddle wheel on the side or perhaps just around the stick. It's our own design but of course original joysticks will work as well. I'd personally refrain from anything D-pad based because if you want one, you can use a Genesis controller, but please feel free to share your thoughts. Now, the release date, we will try to make it happen before Christmas. It is also a very challenging plan, but we work hard to make it happen. 

 

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